Tuesday, August 26, 2008

Discussing Gender

I want to discuss gender. I want to discuss this from a place of questioning and experience, rather than a place of opression and theory. While both theory and opression are important to the discussion of gender, too often gendered experiences are dismissed (particularly when he experience comes from a trans* person).

One thing I'd like to talk about are some of my earliest understandings. It is important to understand how children learn about the world. Children learn through instruction, but mostly it is through observation. Most children will pay close attention to adults who closely match their sex. Boy children will learn how to be a man by watching the men in their life - thus you have generational abusers who may have been instructed not to hit women, but observed men hitting women.

As far back as I can remember, my observations have always been of the women in my life. The men were simply not that important or interesting. If a book, movie or TV show didn't have a compelling female character, I was not interested. I watched and learned how to be an adult by watching my mother, grandmothers, aunts, and to a lesser extent televison (good thing mom was a pretty right-on woman, because the tv women back in the day were often pretty poor role models).

I was aware of inequality in the work my mother performed (she was a stay-at-home parent) and my father (construction). Unequal as far as how their individual contributions were regarded. I was, and have always been, very aware of sexist comments, because those comments didn't reflect ME or the women I knew - not because "mamma raised me right" (although she didn't do a bad job either).

When I say "I always knew I was a girl". I am NOT saying "I liked to play with dolls" or "I wore momma's heals when she wasn't looking." What I am saying is for SOME reason, I took all my social cues from the women around me, even when cues by males were equally available. MEN were the "other" in my life as a child before elementary school. I had a close relationship with my father until I came out (first as gay, then trans) so it isn't like we had a strained relationship, or he was absent from my life. I just didn't relate to him as a model for who I was to become as an adult.

I'd like to take and expand on this from time to time, because I think there really is SOMETHING to gender. Part of the problem with discussing Trans issues is a shared understanding of gender, but no convenient language to talk about it.

11 comments:

riftgirl said...

Sometimes I wonder if we're actually the same person and I'm suffering from multiple personality disorder. Seriously.

ИMLSS said...

"multiple personality disorder" makes people do bad things such as kill in the name of God, steal or become president of the US.

The gender point is easy. You just woke up one day and start realizing that you don't feel good enough with your born body.

Or that's what I think. I'm not TS, it's only my opinion. Hope doesn't bother anyone.

rioTgirl said...

Leith!!

Honestly, I read your blog and wonder when I wrote that stuff. It's a little cooky.


nmlss-

I don't think RiftGirl need *my* help in doing bad things.. she NAUGHTY.. *evil grin* and she should be running for President.

If only the gender part WAS that easy. While there is some issue with the physical, and that seems to be the most discussed, there is more to it.

I could say that my body doesn't/ didn't match my mental image of myself. That would be a true statement. It is however, something else as well. That's what I'm trying to puzzle out.. what was it that caused me from my earliest memories to disregard gendered teaching from males in leiu of gendered taching from women?

Anonymous said...

It's a good question you pose. Although I'm not too interested in the physical 'cause' of transgendered behavior these days (except as a way to rationalize myself to the skeptics :b ) it's stuff like this that makes me buy into the idea of gendered brain wiring / self conception that's been circulating. I mean, something pre-socialization must have been going on to make me, at three (!), when my grandmother belatedly explained that 'little girls sit, little boys stand' at the toilet, have the initial thought 'of course, I'm supposed to sit'. And then get confused afterwards...
I think we have a certain amount of innate knowledge of our 'clan', and that gender choice is the first manifestation of it, far earlier than, say, ethnicity. It doesn't have anything to do with particular behaviors, really, except for the fact that we are more likely to pick up social cues from our perceived clan subconsciously and emulate them.

Maddie H said...

I think part of the problem with conversations when cis people step in is primarily how they somehow make transitioning about them and their relationship to gender, and demand these explanations to justify it, and so many times we comply even though it eats up our time and energy that we could spend doing something more interesting.

I love the post, though. :)

rioTgirl said...

thefuriousspork - What an awesome nick BTW!! - I agree, I'm not really interested in a "cause" for Trans* identities any more than I was interested in a "cause" for being gay. They both were my prize in a box of CrackerJacks as far as I care. *g*

But the more I talk with trans* folks the more we have this THING - not an experience or a feeling exactly... more a KNOWING in common. It's that knowing that I want to mentally poke and see what happens.

Lisa -

Correct, appropriating colonizing language and metaphores is best done carefully. What is so amusing is the questions, incorrect assumptions, and comments from cis folks so often could have come from James Dobson or Exodus International. When I read a Feminist telling me I "need to try to find comfort in the body I was born with"... I really picture those kids whose parents send them to "camp" to "pray the gay away".

Maddie H said...

Yeah, I have a post somewhere comparion anti-trans feminist rhetoric to Peter LaBarbera talking about trans people, and got yelled at for drawing the obvious connection.

Also, uhm,

"multiple personality disorder" makes people do bad things such as kill in the name of God, steal or become president of the US.

Dissociative identity disorder doesn't make people do these things. People with DID are like us, but for various reasons (I think child abuse and molestation are common) have developed additional personalities as a coping strategy. They're not inherently murderous or religious.

As for waking up one day and realizing you don't feel good enough - not that simple. It's typically a lifelong thing, and you wake up one day after living with it your whole life and say "I can't take this anymore."

And it's not a matter of not feeling good enough with your born body, because we keep the same body through transition. I was born male, now I'm female, and yet this is the same body I was born with.

rioTgirl said...

Lisa -

I made/ make the same comparisons when discussing issues with RadFems. How one could replace "Trans" with "Lesbian" in their arguements and it would read or sound just like something put out by the RR

Maddie H said...

That's just because their arguments are taken straight from homophobic religious right statements. It's an easy mistake to make.

rioTgirl said...

that was a funny cartoon Lisa *giggle*

Maddie H said...

Oh, yes, and it pissed some radfems off something fierce.

It was a thing of wonder.